Posts by Jonathan Drake

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

Jonathan Drake

When I say credit, I mean to imply these changes came about because of (or in some portion because of) their refusal of blood. I mean it in the sense that they are given credit for initiating an inquiry for change.

This article I present here, which evidently had appeared elsewhere before now, makes this very argument. In reading your response it appeared to me that you agreed they deserve credit for making the developments necessary - perhaps I misread, but if not I disagree for the reasons I outlined in the closing comments of my previous post. Those being, in summary, that they deserve no credit for something they had no intention or concern or even the slightest inkling to bring about what-so-ever.

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

Jonathan Drake

I do not believe the truth lies in the middle at all.

i would agree that they deserved credit for this if their concern and their intent was in bringing about these changes, or even over concern with invasiveness of procedures or perhaps risk with using blood. BUT NONE OF THIS IS THE CASE.

the motive of the teaching is nothing more or less than simply following a certain interpretation of their book. That is all. It is very convenient that many medical professionals see blood as over used and in some case risky, and these opinions were only used by Witnesses to further emphasize their beliefs but the belief had nothing to do with any desire to help the medical field in any way.

The reality is that they selfishly and disgustingly enforced this rule and killed hundreds if not thousands wantonly. They deserve no credit for these developments because they at no point care whether or not they come about whatsoever. Their sole concern is whether their followers are following their cult rules and nothing more. Bloodless development is only a convenient event they can twist the bolster their reputation, when in fact they deserve no credit.

Their only reasons for denying treatment had nothing to do with anything more than a twisted understanding of scripture. It was not concern over risk or activism for change in procedure. As such they deserve no credit. It's a simple moral equation.

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

Jonathan Drake

This is my point exactly:

these advances have nothing to do with the doctrine of this one religion. At all.

does anyone honestly think the entire medical field is going to change for one group? No. That didn't happen ok?

what DID happen, is they found a more cost effective and efficient way to do surgery that was less invasive and safer for the patients, and THIS is the reason why the advancements happened. It has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. That NEEDS to be the reality being publicized before this nonsense gets them positive media attention leading to indoctrination of innocent idiots.

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

Jonathan Drake

It should also be pointed out that advancements in the field have nothing to do with Jehovah's witnesses. at all. They were not the least bit influential.

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

Jonathan Drake

Then we need to go to war with Amanda.

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

Jonathan Drake

I have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them. I share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

I'm writing regarding an article about Jehovah's Witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:

http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dg

It is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased. This group should not at all be praised for this terrible facet of their doctrine. Do you have any idea how many people have died because of this dogma? How many children have died? Can you imagine how many mothers died in childbirth along with the infant because of this belief?

Would you praise such tragedy?

Please allow me to educate you on Jehovah's Witness doctrine, as it has nothing to do with science. Originally, The doctrine was to deny all blood, all vaccinations, and all organ transplants. It was believed by Witnesses that if one accepted another's blood or organs they would inherit part of that individuals personality. Thus, they believed they might become violent, drunkards, drug addicts, depressed - whatever possible malady of any kind the donor may have had, the receiver would inherit.

The doctrine changed rather quickly regarding vaccines, because from what I've read it appears the schools here in America threatened to deny Witness children entry unless they were vaccinated. The rest, however, went unchanged for many years. Killing hundreds, no doubt, all around the world. It would eventually allow organ transplants, but never transfusions of blood - even until today, under any circumstances.

You can google several recent examples of tragedy resulting from this doctrine. It is absolutely appalling to read any praise going to this terrible cult for its wanton, indiscriminate mass murder.

I URGE, you to take down this terrible article. I ask, further, that you do an article which shows an HONEST picture of this religion in this regard. One that shows how many have died, often terrible deaths, all because of how some man interprets the bible - not at all for the advancement of medicine.

- Rich

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What percentage of the population are gay?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

during the long debate on the question of gay marriage, there have been many competing answers to the question of, "how many people are gay?".

a very anti-gay christian minister in sydney, the reverend fred nile, (who is also a member of the state parliament) claims that the percentage is as low as 1%.. some university (u.of new south wales) research in sydney has suggested 5%, but the authors of the study cautioned that there was a problem in the fact that an unknown number of respondents would likely not admit to being gay.. there are other problems in asking the question.

for example, what does being gay mean?

Jonathan Drake

I don't think this question should matter.

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The Bible is NOT Error-Free

by FusionTheism in

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

Jonathan Drake

Again, then: Cofty aka Vivian?
And I am not the only poster on this Forum that has stated this suspicion. And not because of any similarities in thinking. Cofty's posts are logical. Vivian's post are remarks, deliberately disruptive, obfuscating, assertive, divertive, as if a device by another poster to MANipulate the thread.

Just wow 😮

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Christian or Cult, Do JWs Offer Solutions for Local and Global Problems of life?

by skepticSam in

the awake on "hope for the homelessness" was one of the worse illustrations how the cult has no love for anyone that can't provide donations to further this spiritual ponzi scheme!

the premise of this awake made no sense, i've read many books and took classes on social issues affecting mankind, the awake does not help fix the problem.

what did this magazine offer those who are suffering the humiliation of living out of their cars or "tent city" or under a bridge?

Jonathan Drake

What the hell I meant to type 'no' I swear. Lol

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Christian or Cult, Do JWs Offer Solutions for Local and Global Problems of life?

by skepticSam in

the awake on "hope for the homelessness" was one of the worse illustrations how the cult has no love for anyone that can't provide donations to further this spiritual ponzi scheme!

the premise of this awake made no sense, i've read many books and took classes on social issues affecting mankind, the awake does not help fix the problem.

what did this magazine offer those who are suffering the humiliation of living out of their cars or "tent city" or under a bridge?

Jonathan Drake

As to the title question:

CHRISTIANITY is a cult. So the answer is just 'yes'